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PostSubject: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:24 pm

Comments, Suggestions, Bright Ideas, or pwede man reklamo nga gusto ninyo ipabalo or share sa mga organizers/producers sang gig!!! (wala lang tani mention names or productions lihog tani)Thanks..
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:03 pm

a reciprocal/rotation system for gigs to protect and maintain interest in bands and music.

here is what we do in Bacolod which can be applied in Iloilo.

Since there are more than 200++ bands in Bacolod, not counting jam bands, there is no way of giving exposure to everyone, and everyone wants a slice of the cake.

Rotation system is that:

1. No band plays a gig consecutively. So if they played in the last gig, they lose a spot on the next one.

a. the reason is so that other bands can play.
b. so that regular gig attendees won't get bored of watching the same bands all over again.
c. "new" bands get discovered this way.

2. Strictly only 6-10 bands per gig. So that bands can play 6-8 songs, and end the entire night at around 1am.

3. Encourage "others" (non-barkadas/peers) to join. The more we ask "other" bands to join the gig, especially the ones that never get to play bars... the more we attract new people to come and watch.

a. give priority to high school bands.
b. give at least two slots to new bands, especially the ones really just starting out. they may sound horrible now, but they will kick your ass next year.

4. Rotation ends when a band cycle has been reached. (i.e. everyone has played) We keep a list of these bands, and pass around contact numbers.

This format is being followed here locally by the Fcuk Rock Let's Party series, Bacolod Rock's series and the FlyDaze series.

All three productions coordinate and agree not to overlap bands and stick to this format. Hence we have a fresh gig every weekend with a different set of bands every friday and saturday.

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Reciprocal system

1. Encourage some form of "payment" to bands. Be it 35 pesos (for taxi cab maski flag down lang) or a cut off the gate sales. Freebie play is a great way for exposure, but it encourages lack of self-worth for bands.

NOTE: Productions... please wala lang bala gamitay ah. Ma igu lang ang ma igu eh.

2. For the Bacolod Rock's series I follow this formula: Net Gate Sales / Number of Artists+1. The production takes home the extra cut.

a. For transparency, we keep a receipt and count of the gate and all the expenses. Para wala bulsahanay ah. Kunsyensya mo na lang na bulsahon mo pa.

3. For the AfterShock yearly concerts, I strictly follow a fixed talent fee system applicable to all bands.


You can lose a hell lot of money or earn a lot with just one gig.

Lets not forget ITS THE BAND THAT PEOPLE CAME TO WATCH NOT THE ORGANIZER.

So if your aim is to make money out of gullible bands who are willing to play for free...... ahem.



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For productions:

Money is something you can earn... but respect is something you cannot buy.

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(tamad nako mag organize gig btw. hehehehe malantaw na lang ko.)

FWIW
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:09 pm

urock

sa KUB before, i think we were following the reciprocal system...

since that time, libre mag pa gig sa 012, indi gawa bug-at sa bulsa, since most members sng KUB prod were students nga ga asa lng sa allowance. wehehe. gina bayran namon sng una is ang gamit lang, para maka save, may time nga amps + mics + blah blah lng gin rentahan namon, ga pang hulam kmi drum set. kaagi pa nga was-ag2 ang drum set, maayo ng temprano nag abot ang IMO, si Richard pa nag kay-o sang drum (thanks.. hehe). wala na ga sukot si Richard 012 kay iya na lng ang tanan nga beer + food sales, basta kami na bahala sa tanan (bouncer? bantay sa gate kag himus gamit).

importante gid maka ganyat tawo kag manog lantaw, this is what we usually do:

1 week before the scheduled gig:
- finalize ang mga bands (5-7 band lng gina kwa namon, 5-6 songs daun)
- ubra poster, pa print sang isa ka original, daun pa clear copy ang iban. we print out around 50-60 posters.
- manipon tawo para manapik kag mang lapta balita

3-4 days before the gig:
- last nga storya kay Richard sa 012, si Duhwain ga ubra ni pirme... hehehe
- manapik poster. ga divide kami, tig tatlo ka tawo sa kada group, lakat halin CPU asta 012. ang iban, ga sakay jip pa doctors, then halin doctors lakat sa 012. target gid are schools (CPU, WIT? WVSU, IDC, UI San Ag, Assumption!!!). bakal lang kami soy kag butangan tubig kag mansig ngita toothbrush kag manapik. inom daun sa 012! hahah!!

Gig Day:
- kad2 sa venue temprano
- pang himus
- pray!
- make-up kag magpa gwapo/gwapa

Kag ang importante, bayad sa banda! Ga pangita kami sponsors, ang pinaka buot sng una sa amon is Mang Inasal, they don't give out cash, pero they give us 2,000 worth of gift certificates. tungaon na namon sa banda, kn 5 bands, we give them 1,500 worth of GCs, tag 300 kada banda, the rest, gina tunga2 sang prod team. team lunch/dinner kn bali. then ang kita, gina reserve na ang sa gamit, ang nabilin, gina tunga pa gid sa banda. makahatag man kami kis-a 150-200 Php sa mga banda. indi man xa dako gid, pero makabulig na. at least puli sila nga may pang plete kag may pagkaon sa sa Mang Inasal.

now, kun may gig, kun indi tungod sa forum nga ni, daw indi mo mabal-an nga may tukar or ano... advertise man kamo bi... word of mouth is ok, pero mas lain gid kn makit-an sang iban nga may gig kamo. mas post kamo poster on the day sang gig kag sa gwa sang lugar, maayo kn tanan maagi da.

@ digital nami pa maglantaw na lng, wala pa sakit sa ulo... eheheh...
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:34 am

agree ako kay indusGoth tga buhi ko ga check gid ko na kung my gig poster sa sagwa gate ka CPU eheheh... pero ang mga banda nmn pano mka balo my upcoming gig???kay damo ko friends nga gus2 mo tukar sa bar mga baguhan gin buligan ko man gleng kisa kame indi man mka sulud,eheheh d man tanan daan my net daw ako lng gina pamangkut nila kung my gig kay gus2 gid nila ma try tukar sa mga bar....gleng an problema nmn daw once a month kame ga kitaay


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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:36 am

and 100% sure gd ko ya na most bands won't like the idea of rotation......

maski ako man personally I would grab every opportunity to play and insert my band in a lineup kung pwede lang hehehehe

it really does not matter if you get to play once in a while instead of being in every gig your production plays. sure we can have mainstays, the usual local "sikat" bands so we can have audience pull, but here is a suggested format:

2 main bands - bands that top billing and play more songs. having earned enough cred to headline the gig but are still part of the rotation

2 feature bands - bands that have been opening bands, and are part of the regular rotation

2 opening bands - preferrably new bands or bands we just recently had been acquainted.

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bands earn and work their way up the ladder so to speak... build some cred to land them main band spots and top billing.
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:54 am

well hopefully we really can do something about the scene..
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:44 am

ahem. tnx tnx gd mga kuya sa mga tips..super furst time pa lang neh dan ang samun cning jan 2009..dont wori, kayuhon gd namun treatment namun sila ah..hehe

hopefully may matukar from Sonata (an org composed of musicians na tga UPV Miagao)..gustoh tani namun sila ipimp sa local scene..wuhooo Wink

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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:02 pm

the best ang rotation scheme digital... everyone gets to play...

@ lexiscore what we do sang una is that spread the word lng. sng una sa CPU ga baha gid banda da, kag mga ga banda sang una, wala na huya mag approach. hehehe. kis-a may ga text sa amon nga pwede sila ka intra sa next nga gig, sa amon sng una, daw gina rotation man namon. hehe.

since guilty kami of having "house bands" Very Happy, in every gig, may duwa ka KUB band nga ga intra, kay exposure to lagas namon, then 3-4 bands nga invited bag-o. kun may mag pa "reserve" gni, gin see to it gid namon nga sila na sa next nga sched. kay sng una every month kami may ara gig.

invite daun bands sa lain nga lugar. IMO kag Katumbal naka sing along man sa amon. hahaha!! then ang Javaskaggs, galing daw la to na dayon. hehe. we make contact gid sng una sa mga taga bacolod, through macky and duhwain, kay daw sila gid amon tatay2. hahaha! pag album release di sang Katumbal, sadya man! oh yeah! hahaha!!

@ digital its important to have main bands... those who have "street cred"... hahaha!!! pamato namon sng una is PCK, Candyflip, TMP, Chupacabra. I remembered sng gin invite namon ang Bahaghari, nag baha babaye sa 012. OMG!!!! hahaha!! Then we have IMO and Katumbal, same with Kwatro Kantos, nga bisan nag bagyo to, naka tipos kami 4000+ sa ticket sales. Very Happy

@ B think nyo lng ang welfare sng banda, la gid na malain. Very Happy hehehe. kn ako, panyapon gid! hahaha!! law-ay magtukar nga redhorse lng unod sang tyan. hehe... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:08 pm

^^haha,hopefully damu sponsors na masuportah pra "pampered" (poh indi spoiled ha!! haha) gd ang mga matukar sa upcomin event..dont wori ah,sadyahun ta na ah.heehee Wink

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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:06 pm

moved this thread to a more appropriate forum


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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:09 pm

share klng samon sa

hit the lights "rock kills kid"..

usually a month before sang gig g.miting² na kami sang mga upod ko.. although 3 mlng kami na noh.. tpos ang 2 ara pa sa manila.. lol! gina.planuhan da kung pila ka banda,kg kung sanu ang date. ang ginahimo namon ginadivied namon ang slots sa banda,.. ex. 15 bands.. tag.5 bands each samon,.. dependi pana kung pila ka bands ang sa line up,.. mostly ga.12-20 kami kung regular,.. kg kung dinagyang the highest was 25 bands... asta 3:30/4am bla.. hahaha...

after ma settle na namon kung pila kabilog kinanlan,.. ga.plug kami na sa FS,mutilply usually gapang.Flood,.. kung cnu gsto ma2kar,.. mga 2-3 days gabaha nana messge, kg ga.first come first serve bases kami kung cnu una message or txt.. mona e.llista,.. kg once na mg.gwa ang poster sa net mga 2-3wiks before sang gig date ang line.up medyo ok² nana...

kg 1-2weeks b4 sang gig date mpa.gwa na kami poster/flyers para para mka.tapik,.. kg once mg.gwa na ang street posters final ngd na ang line.up.. Razz

kg 5days b4 sang gig mpa.drawlots kami na.. para sa pag.pasunod..

kg regarding sa rotation sang banda,.. daw uhmbot hehehe... ky first come first serve man kmi.. kg yeah.. quilty ko da hehe .. kg mostly man mga prods my mga "house bands". Very Happy pro wenever nga my mga bands kami nga indi tga.iloilo like aklan(end of july,drop out etc),roxas( kids scream),bacolod(laneaia,passing grade 75,etc.),.. as much as possible ma alagaan mo man bskn gamay lang...

since wala kami ga kwa sponsors mostly samon halin ang mga inug.gasto,.. ang kita after sang gig,derencho sa gamit,.. ok lang b4 ky medyo barato pah kg ang venue(numtah) wala man cla ga.sukot. pro bskn mo pana nga plastada 50% sang total gigs namon.. medyo... perdi.. Banghead haha... pro ok lang na... daog perdi basta sadya!...
di man ginansya lagas namon. hehe


ang drawlots,gig ...outcome.(base on rock kills kid experience)
lol!

mostly pag.abot sang gig date,.. guba ang sequence sang lineup,. ky my banda nga malate,. kulang members, kd indi ka gd ka sugod sang time nga gsto mo.. so ang ginaubra namon:

- secure ang first 3-5bands sa line.up, ok lang malate ang sa middle part indi lang ang una,. ky sa ila nka.salalay ang dalagan sang gig,. my malate sa ila... late nana ang bilog nga gig..

- kung anu ang completo mona mka.2kar, ari yah last resort nlng gd ni,. kung around 8-9pm wala pa ka start,. kung anu nga band ang present kg compl2 mona na gna.pa2kar namon,..para mg.cge² na kg mg.sugod ang gig. kg yes.. mareklamo gd na ang banda nga mona,. mhmbl n sila " moni no. nmon sa drawlots nga no. moni kami mka.2kar " explanation nmon: "pili ka, m2kar kmo nga late na kg hubog kg tuyo nga was.ag 2kar nyu,.. or m2kar kmo early para atlist tawhay na kamo kg solid"... kg mostly bands mka.intendi.. pro my ara gd yah nga "ROCKSTAR". drummer

- dapat alertness kung cnu ga kapyot sang line.up,kg kabalo ka mg.adjust sa situation,kg magdisesyon... ky mona ang pinakahustle nga ulubrahon kng my gig... kg dapat lawig pasensya mo... ky ma.ugtas ka gid.. hehehe


so mona... malaba sya... wooot

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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:26 am

baw ina mga gapa late late kay kulang kno member isa.... hehehehe.
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:36 am

ang iban ga hungod nga mapa late... lalo na kun slot nila is number 1 or 2... hahaha
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:55 am

naa ang ga pa late late gid.. ahaha

dayun mga ROCKSTARS eh.. ahaha inde mag sunod sa sequence sang draw lots... mapa mahal2 gid.. like as if inde madayun ang gig kung inde cla katukar

most of the time.. kung inde nila trip ang slot nila.. mapa late na cla para i sal-ot sila sa slot nga makapakita sila sang ila pagka ROCKSTAR ah...

oh well...
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:44 am

haha... laban... kun ma late ang banda, paslak sa last nga slot... para kwa nila parte nila.. la labot kun friends sila sang organizer... salig ubra nila... ano gid kamo aw?? pareho man lng ta tanan nga ga sepra sang tulukaron... stfu
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:39 pm

ummm.. ako il speak in behalf sng strawlace prod.. hehehe...

We make sure nga kada gig may theme gd kami, k gs2 namun ichallenge ang mga bands kng asta diin gd cla... nd na xa malain ah, ang point namun pra nd bla nga "amo man japon"... wala ko may gna igo nga iban ha? amu na ya ang point namun.. nd man namun ma reach gd ang xpectations sng tao pero nd tanan nga tao ma please sng prod.

1. ang free beer namun, nd na xa pasikat or watever, daw amo na ang ma hatag namun sa mga bands nga nag take time mag sepra songs nga nd nila pundo bla... yeah mas nami gd tani kng may free dinner k ka law.ay man na nga puro lng ya jumza hatag namun, and were working on it.. k na feel man namun ang gna btyag sng mga bands k kami mismo ga 2kar man...

2. damo gd kami arti sa prod, 2ud. amin na namun... hahaha.. mga ids, tshrts, theme, ay ambt! mga nd ma tungkad... pero gna ubra gd namun.. pangitaan gd pa agi... yeah, may mga mabuot nga tao nga ga sponsor samun sa mga gigs but then, kami ang ga pangita sponsors kg nd xa mahapos!! hahaha... k nd man kami bata sng milyonaryo nga isa lng ka hmbl ara dayun... Laughing Laughing

3. ang venue namun... na anad na kami nga sa mcs, k daw dra gd kmi ga tambay b4... tapos kilala naman namun ang tag iya... kg daw amo na ang pnka center gd kng isipon lng, nd xa layu sa jaro, villa or mandurriao b... kg nami gd ya k may LITRO cla nga RH!!! hahahaha

4. ang mga bands.. AY AMBT!! amo ni ang pnka sadya sa tanan!!! aminun namun nga ang gna pang hagad namun nga bands liwat2x lng... ang OPINION ko parti d... WALA NA YA SA QUANTITY, SA QUALITY NA YA SNG TUKAR. mang nvyt kami da karun 20 bands kg nd man lng gle amo 2kar nila? cnu ma igo? k ang prod man gyapon... but were not clossing our doors sa mga iban nga banda, gna try namun contact cla pero wala man ga reply.. teh ngita kami iban eh.. ang gna pangita lng namun is ang WILLING lng gd mag 2kar.. wala pilitay. yeah, ga risgo kami everytym mag pa gig kami, but thats ok, lessons learnd the hard way gd na pra samun.. kg damo2x gd ya gyapon ROCKSTARS ah.. nd mo gd na gru ma likawan.. like sng last nga gig namun... blan na na sng mga bands kng cnu cla.. il be very upfront and honest about this... we were very disappointed kg kami sa prod have no plans of inviting them liwat sa mga gigs namun.. not because nag dako ulo namun or watever, its just that we gave them a month pra mag praktis kg tanan, and kng nd kamo gle ready nagay kamo da commit, ok lng gru a day b4 mas ok pa pero ma backout cla ya the day sng gig or SA VENUE itself? ang point ko bla nga, gn include cla sa poster, streamers, nag ubra kami ids pra cla, kg nd cla mag 2kar yah? kg baw ara pa gd.. nga nag submit names ka members nila kg pag abot, ang ma 2kar sa banda wala ID ang nd mag 2kar amo pa ang may mga ids!! ka at.hag sng pamangkot namun sa ila, PILA KAMO KA MEMBERS?? tarong man sabat nila, pero ambt ngaa nd amo ang outcome.. haaays...

amu to gn pa striktuhan gd cla namun sng last gig, hmbl namun by 7pm dapat ang 1st 3 bands ara na... kg by 8pm nga nd ma kmpleto nga banda wala free beer.. teh nami k ang 1st band past 8 na nag abot!! teh ambt! sadyah kami eh... kwa nila parti nila... damo to wala na hatagan free beer sng last gig namun... we want them to learn their lesson, damo banda nga wala dri, wala digto reklamo nila... pero tan awa bla na pang himu nila... the ORGANIZERS and PRODUCTIONS TEAMS, ga exert effort pra cla, pero ila ya pa SPECIAL2x gd pirmi!!

GIVE AND TAKE LNG NA MUH.. IF U WANT THE SCENE TO IMPROVE, BULIGAN NYO MAN KAMI NGA MGA ORGANIZERS KG PRODUCTION TEAMS..

kng may mga comments or suggestions kamo da sa prod namun... open gd kami ka tam.an... k were jst starting out.. damo pa kami dapat ma learn from the people nga dugay na gd sa scene.. SALAMAT GD!!!

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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:03 pm

@weeh: daw kilala ko gid da ang mga late late kag sa i.d. i.d. mo. hahaha. geek .huya huya man kamo da ay... Banghead
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:09 pm

@wee: ok lang na... bata pa man org nyu,.. kg.natural ang mga mona nga hustle ma encounter sa gigs... mau na gani atlist mabalan nyu ang mga do's and dont's sa gig.. ti para pag.next ti my idea na kamo kung anu ang dapat... hehe..

kg damo pana kamo m.agyan,.. hehe.. like brown.out b4 mg.start ang gig thn ng.siga aga na... hahaha... Banghead

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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:41 am

I wonder when will most bands in Iloilo especially sa scene naton act like bloody professional musicians...

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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:07 am

VanS3n wrote:
I wonder when will most bands in Iloilo especially sa scene naton act like bloody professional musicians...

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set an example and the rest will follow
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:12 am

then I believe some of the mature bands here should take the lead then...
the question is.. will they?
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:55 am

Professionalism is when you seperate personal and work ethic and put focus on the task.

If you treat it like a passionate job, it will reward you.

It boils down to how you respect the production.

Respect the production... the band shows up on time, and plays the correct slot.

It does not matter if you are the first band or the middle band.

The important thing is playing.
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:56 am

aw!! huo ang black out na prob, isa pa gd nah!! humeegaaash...nyaahaa

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PostSubject: : GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:26 am

teh panu b kun hindi ka ya prod? like trip lang sang barkada mo or friends mo mapa gig? pwede mana?
how about sa mga newbie mas ga pa presyo na sila or ga sunod sa oras?
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PostSubject: Re: GiG Organizers Hear Us Out   Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:12 am

@casper: biskan sinu lang pwede kpa.gig basta my idea lang kamo kung panu ubrahon... kag ang about sa "newbies",. dependi na.. my ara iban ga.sunod sa oras,.. my ara medyo huya² pa sa una... dependi kung panu mo e.manage ang mga banda... Very Happy

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